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For those interested in honorable debate between those that support both a round and flat earth world-view.  We invite open discussion and invite people to share their research as to why they believe either or.  Please be respectful of others in sharing evidence and not just conjecture.  I think this an important debate for our time since the Most High is leading many to question the spherical earth because once understood as a flat earth, so much of the web of deception making up the matrix is exposed for what it is, propaganda.  As well most would be forced to question the proponents of matrix and its lies which include all government, political, educational, and religious authority.

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Satellites are the one thing that confuses me in a flat earth model. 5 Replies

Hey everyone I thank you for joining group and for interacting on this discussion. Most of you know that my listeners have asked me to look into this topic and at first I was very hesitant because I…Continue

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Comment by ThorAxe423 on October 22, 2015 at 3:54am

Comment by ThorAxe423 on October 18, 2015 at 8:08am

@ sea tiger I'm not buying the lie you show no proof of what you claim!! And i haven't been suckered into any false beliefs.I have reached my beliefs through research and relying on the holy spirit!!!

Comment by FallenAngels.TV on October 17, 2015 at 3:42pm

Also the supposed curvature of the earth is not just 8 inches per mile, it is: from chapter 24 of my book:

When one looks into this aspect of the research, one will find that the number which pertains to the mathematical formula of how one can discover how much curvature the earth should have at any given distance is based upon the measure of 8 (rounded up) inches. Below is the method that Samuel Birley Rowbotham used for calculating the rate at which the spherical earth, 25,000 English statute miles in circumference curves.

"If the earth is a globe, and is 25,000 English statute miles in circumference, the surface of all standing water must have a certain degree of convexity--every part must be an arc of a circle. From the summit of any such arc there will exist a curvature or declination of 8 inches in the first statute mile. In the second mile the fall will be 32 inches; in the third mile, 72 inches, or 6 feet, as shown in the following diagram:

Earth's Rate of Curvature

"Let the distance from T to figure 1 represent 1 mile, and the fall from 1 to A, 8 inches; then the fall from 2 to B will be 32 inches, and from 3 to C, 72 inches. In every mile after the first, the curvature downwards from the point T increases as the square of the distance multiplied by 8 inches. The rule, however, requires to be modified after the first thousand miles. "The following table will show at a glance the amount of curvature, in round numbers, in different distances up to 100 miles. To find the curvature in any number of miles not given in the table, simply square the number, multiply that by 8, and divide by 12. The quotient is the curvation required.

Statute Miles Away Math = Drop
1 1 x 1 x 8 = 8 Inches
2 2 x 2 x 8 = 32 Inches
3 3 x 3 x 8 / 12 = 6 Feet
4 4 x 4 x 8 / 12 = 10 Feet
5 5 x 5 x 8 / 12 = 16 Feet
6 6 x 6 x 8 / 12 = 24 Feet
7 7 x 7 x 8 / 12 = 32 Feet
8 8 x 8 x 8 / 12 = 42 Feet
9 9 x 9 x 8 / 12 = 54 Feet
10 10 x 10 x 8 / 12 = 66 Feet

"To find the curvature in any number of miles not given in the table, simply square the number, multiply that by 8, and divide by 12. The quotient is the curvation required.

One can see that after a few miles the curvature is so great that it should be easily recognizable and yet when scientists tried to measure this curvature none was detected, proving curvature nonexistent. Other experiments were set up to detect the motion of the earth, and again none was detected. Some of the experiments which had been done which verify these conclusions are the Bedford Level experiment, The Michelson-Gale experiment, “Airey’s failure”, and The Sagnac experiment. There are others which have also been done which discount curvature or movement to the earth. I’m not going to repeat here all of those experiments, however I will mention that in my own study on this topic I learned that construction engineers do not in any way consider the curvature of the earth when drawing up blueprints for the building of bridges, canals, and railroads over long distances well in extent of 30 miles. At 30 miles a construction project should have to figure in a corresponding drop of 600 feet according to the formula above.

Comment by FallenAngels.TV on October 17, 2015 at 3:39pm

Story 2:

Before leaving this topic, I would like to mention one more story which when looked into does not make sense when applied to the heliocentric model for world view. It has to do with a time when King Hezekiah was certain that he was about to die. And not wanting to succumb to death, he makes a last minute appeal to the Most High begging Him for forgiveness. Deciding to give him a 15 year reprieve from death, the Most High sends to him Isaiah to inform him that he would indeed be forgiven and that a sign would accompany that forgiveness. This is where the story gets interesting, because the sign that Hezekiah was given is the sun moving back 10° on the sun dial of Ahaz.

[1] In those days was Hezekiah sick unto death. And Isaiah the prophet the son of Amoz came unto him, and said unto him, Thus saith the LORD, Set thine house in order: for thou shalt die, and not live. [2] Then Hezekiah turned his face toward the wall, and prayed unto the LORD, [3] And said, Remember now, O LORD, I beseech thee, how I have walked before thee in truth and with a perfect heart, and have done that which is good in thy sight. And Hezekiah wept sore. [4] Then came the word of the LORD to Isaiah, saying, [5] Go, and say to Hezekiah, Thus saith the LORD, the God of David thy father, I have heard thy prayer, I have seen thy tears: behold, I will add unto thy days fifteen years. [6] And I will deliver thee and this city out of the hand of the king of Assyria: and I will defend this city. [7] And this shall be a sign unto thee from the LORD, that the LORD will do this thing that he hath spoken; [8] Behold, I will bring again the shadow of the degrees, which is gone down in the sun dial of Ahaz, ten degrees backward. So the sun returned ten degrees, by which degrees it was gone down. – Isaiah 38:1-8

Same story can be found in 2 Kings 20:1-10

In a heliocentric model, the only way the sun could go back 10° on a sundial is if the earth stopped spinning, reversed course spun in the opposite direction, and then being stopped again resumed spinning again in its normal counterclockwise rotation in the direction it had been prior to this sign being given. Can you imagine the kind of repercussions such unfolding would have for not only the earth but the people living in every region upon the earth? Just in the earth stopping its axial spin, there should be major catastrophic consequences, in the least mass tidal waves, devastating tsunamis, monstrous flooding, and possible seismic activity in the form of colossal earthquakes. The same would occur with its resuming orbit around the sun, but no such consequences are mentioned and no destructive impact took place. In fact things unfolded as they always had as if nothing significant had ever happened. The only way this could be possible is if like in the case of Joshua, the Most High made the sun stand still, reverse course 10° in its revolution, and then allowed it to continue in its normal circuit. And similar to the story with Joshua, there were no massive repercussions to the earth or endangering consequences which affected any humans negatively. Both of these stories validate that it is the sun which moves above the earth, and not the earth which revolves around the sun.

Comment by FallenAngels.TV on October 17, 2015 at 3:36pm

How else would you explain these two stories, part of Chapter 18 of my new book, Story 1: [12] Then spake Joshua to the LORD in the day when the LORD delivered up the Amorites before the children of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel, Sun, stand thou still upon Gibeon; and thou, Moon, in the valley of Ajalon. [13] And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day. [14] And there was no day like that before it or after it, that the LORD hearkened unto the voice of a man: for the LORD fought for Israel. – Joshua 10:11-14

And so the point of this whole chapter is, why would the Creator give Joshua the authority to stop the sun and moon while in mid revolution rather than the earth and moon? What would be the point of asking the sun and moon to remain still, if it’s the earth moving around the sun which causes it to set? Wouldn’t it make much more sense for the Most High to give Joshua the power to order the earth and moon stand still rather than the sun and moon, since it would be the earth not spinning which would prevent the sun from going down as science asserts.

But this is not the case, Joshua ordered the sun and moon to stand still and not the earth and moon. If the earth were truly moving around sun there would be no reason to order the sun to stand still because according to the model of the solar system, there would be no noticeable difference to the sun remaining motionless. This is another confirming witness from the Biblical scriptures avowing to the motion of the sun and moon above the immovable circular plane of the earth as referenced in Psalm 19. I believe this to be a very important point of distinction and one that readers should scrutinize carefully as it affirms why Enoch dedicates so many chapters to describing the motion of the sun and moon and zero to the motion of the earth.

Also notice that when the sun and moon were stopped in mid revolution and remained motionless in the heavens, that there were no major or even minor repercussions connected to their having done so. There were no mentions of any major consequences to the earth, no catastrophic earthquakes, pole shifts, tsunamis, lightning activity, or massive storms of any sort. Nothing other than the day was elongated for the time that the sun and moon remained still in the heavens.

Comment by FallenAngels.TV on October 17, 2015 at 3:28pm

If you believe the flat earth information is just a psyops then you believe the Bible is a psyops as well. Because the Bible and the Book of Enoch are flat earth books as I show in my new book: http://www.lulu.com/shop/zen-garcia/the-flat-earth-as-key-to-decryp...

Comment by Gregory on October 15, 2015 at 6:05pm

ThorAxe423 The curvature of the earth is minimal... 8" per mile... NOT as wildly exaggerated as stated by those of the 'FLAT EARTH' community. This whole charade is nothing more than a 'psyops' by the 'Rothschilds' paid bitch whore puppet shills... 'ROB SKIBA' being one of them... But people with NO critical thinking will be suckered in... 

Comment by ThorAxe423 on October 15, 2015 at 5:34pm

Comment by FallenAngels.TV on September 5, 2015 at 5:41pm

I posted his latest video brother Rob is doing an admirable job of single-handedly dismantling the lies being perpetuated by establishment especially NASA. I’m nearing the end of the book that I have been focused on lately. My hope is to release information about it on Rob’s show should he be willing to have me as guest. Considering his stance on this issue as well as the content I will be releasing with this book, it would surprise me if he were not interested. And since I am almost done, I believe it is OK for me to share with you as listening audience that the Most High has given me the revelation to unlock certain aspects of the book of Enoch which are related to the flat earth as topic. And thus I have been working nonstop trying to compile and put it into book form so that when I release it, it will confirm beyond a shadow of doubt that we live on a flat circular plane and not a globe like spherical planet. It is already 200 letter sized pages which would make it about 400 plus pages in regulars six by nine format. Also I decided to publish it in 14 point font since so many people are having a difficult time reading 12 point font myself included. I am finalizing the last bit of formatting now and then will have to do one final read through. Also if anyone out there is good with drawing up diagrams, or other simple graphic illustrations, or with combining photographs in Photoshop and would be willing to help out on a few images and be part of this book can you please contact me at ZenGarcia2010@gmail.com. I would so appreciate your assistance as I am almost done. God bless all it won’t be long now.

Comment by Mark Puputti on August 24, 2015 at 5:42pm
I heard brother Rob is back... TheMorgile downloaded zetetic astronomy on YouTube .. I downloaded the PDFs in iBooks and read along with him... It was fun!

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